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REPORTER'S DAILY TRANSCRIPT SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SHARON RUFO, ET AL., N/A, PLAINTIFFS, VS. ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, ET AL., DEFENDANTS.
SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT NO. WEQ (REGINA D. CHAVEZ, OFFICIAL REPORTER) (The jurors resumed their respective seats.) THE COURT: Why don't you have Mr. Simpson sit at counsel table for a minute. MR. BAKER: I'm sorry. Fine. We told him to get up there. (Mr. Simpson resumes seat at counsel table from witness stand.) THE COURT: Morning, ladies and gentlemen. JURORS: Morning, Your Honor. THE COURT: You notice that one of your number is missing. That juror has been Ordinarily, we don't discuss why a juror has been excused. However, in this The conduct that is inappropriate is that which is one that consists of You are jurors. You are sworn to hear the evidence and to decide this case only You're forbidden to have any contact with, or any communication with anybody The attorneys can talk to you, only while they are addressing you in opening The witnesses cannot talk to you at all, except by way of their testimony. Employees of attorneys, they cannot talk to you at all. And it would be totally Now, do all of you jurors understand that? JURORS: Yes. THE COURT: A jury is not a social club. A jury is the fulfillment of a legal Now, when I say that is your duty, there is another duty; and that is the duty If the kind of conduct that I am concerned with continues, it would lead to an You see, if the other side perceives such a contact, or the public sees such a Everybody understand that? JURORS: Yes. THE COURT: Now, if anybody tries to contact you, as I've informed you before, I've always admonished you, and periodically admonished you not to listen to That is doubly so in this instance, because these things become news items and And it's very important that you do not allow yourselves to be influenced by The only alternative is to sequester you and put you in custody, so to speak. JURORS: Yes. THE COURT: All right. Now, at this time, the clerk is instructed to place the names of the alternates (The clerk complies.) THE CLERK: Number 294. You're Juror number 8 now. THE COURT: Juror number 294, would you take seat number 4. Okay. Juror number 294, you are now part of the regular jury panel. At this time, we will resume. Mr. Simpson, would you resume the stand, please. THE WITNESS: Yes, sir. MR. PETROCELLI: Your Honor, I'd like to read into the record and move to into They're all by reference to the joint trial statement. Exhibits 783, 13, 15, 14, 813, 1161, 735, 811, 17, 812, 2216, 195, 2217, 760, Thank you. MR. BAKER: I just reserve again, Your Honor. THE COURT: Yes. (The instruments previously marked as Plaintiffs' Exhibits 783, 13, 15, 14, THE CLERK: You are still under oath. Would you please state your name again for the record. THE WITNESS: Orenthal James Simpson. ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, the witness on the stand at the time of the adjournment THE COURT: Mr. Simpson, would you draw the microphone a little bit closer to Thank you. FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BREWER: Q. Morning. Morning, ladies and gentlemen. JURORS: Morning. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Mr. Simpson, you left Los Angeles and got on a flight headed A. Yes. Q. And during that flight, you were in first class, right? A. Yes. Q. And the seat that you were in, there wasn't anyone seated in the seat next MR. BAKER: Asked and answered. THE COURT: Overruled. A. Yes. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Okay. And during the course of that flight, Mr. Simpson, once it took off and was in A. Not true. Q. Okay. Who did you speak with? A. What do you mean, during the flight? Q. Yeah. When you took off and you were in the air, you indicated that you A. The captain. Q. Other than the captain, did you speak with anyone else? A. Maybe a stewardess. Q. Okay. Other than personnel that worked on the plane, you didn't speak with anyone A. True. Q. And during that flight, there was a partner of a good friend of yours that A. Correct. Q. Now, once the plane took off, the overhead lights in the first class cabin A. We were possibly in the air 40 minutes or an hour and they went off. Q. They were dark during the entire flight until you came close to landing, A. That's true. Q. You had had a very active day. You played golf, true? A. True. Q. You woke up early in the morning, right? A. That's correct. Q. And just before leaving, you were laying on your bed, fighting the urge to A. That's correct. Q. And while you were on this plane, headed back to Chicago at night, you A. I think I dozed a little bit from time to time, 'cause I was reading, and I Q. You don't recall sleeping for an extended period of time, an hour, two, A. Certainly not three hours. You know, it's hard to tell -- when you're flying, it's hard to tell. I may Q. At no time during this flight did you ever contact Kato Kaelin to find out A. That's correct. Q. And at no time during that flight did you ever contact your daughter, A. I wasn't concerned about it; that's true. Q. You were not concerned about your daughter's safety? A. No, I was not concerned about what Kato claimed he heard. Q. And the answer to my question is, you did not contact Arnelle at any time A. That's correct. Q. You didn't contact Westec during that flight to have them come over and A. That's correct. Q. And you did not contact the police department, as well, true? A. That's correct. Q. And during the course of that flight, Mr. Simpson, you used the restroom on A. I doubt it, but three or four, for sure. Q. You're not certain you didn't use it on at least five occasions? A. I would say three or four times. I tend to, you know, I tend to drink a lot of water on flights -- it's Q. How would I know, Mr. Simpson? A. I'm sure you interviewed -- I mean, I'm sure you looked at the testimony of Q. So we're to accept what you say in a video as gospel truth in this MR. BAKER: I object. That's argument. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Mr. Simpson, when you went into the restroom during the A. That's correct. Q. Very small, confined area? A. That's correct. Q. Okay. And you would have had at least four occasions in that restroom to make A. Possibly. Q. I mean, small, confined area, brightly lit, true? A. Yeah. When I said possibly, still, it's -- possibly it was four times. But I would Q. Okay. And on any of those occasions, you never observed any cuts on any portion of A. That's correct. Q. Left or right, right? A. That's correct. Q. So there was absolutely no question in your mind when you got to Chicago A. Well, it was not anything I had on my mind when I got to Chicago. Q. You didn't see anything on the plane that led you to believe that you had a A. That's correct. Q. Okay. So you were absolutely certain when you were in Chicago, that the cut that you A. For the most part, yes. Q. That was the information you had on June 13, when you spoke with Detectives A. That's correct. Q. It was on that occasion that you told them that you cut it the night before. MR. BAKER: Object. This has all been asked and answered. THE COURT: Sustained Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Now, Mr. Simpson, in connection with Paula Barbieri, you had A. Yes. Q. And after you returned on the 13th, the last time that you saw Ms. Barbieri A. I'm sorry; what date are we on, now? Q. We're on the morning of the 17th. A. Yes, I saw her when she was heading back to Florida. Q. Okay. And then the next time that you saw her after that, you would have been in jail A. That's correct. Q. And during that time period when you were in jail, she came to visit you, A. Correct. Q. And in connection with one of her visits, the subject matter of messages A. That's correct. Q. And during that conversation, you asked her whether she had a message that A. I don't know if I asked her or if it was a subject that the lawyers or Q. And you asked her to check to see whether those messages were still on her A. I don't recall. Q. Certain of that? A. Certain of that. Q. And you asked her to see if she could retrieve the tape and bring it to you A. I don't recall doing that. But that would have been something that I would Q. To ask her to retrieve the messages you left her? A. I would have, at that point in time -- I don't know at what point in time Q. And the reason why you were asking questions about messages you left on her A. No, sir, not necessarily. I don't know if I asked her to get a message from her machine. I think the Q. How many times during the course of your incarceration did the subject A. That may have been the only time. Q. And was that when she was physically at your cell or the place of A. Yes -- Q. -- or was that over the phone? A. -- I believe it was. I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure it was at one of her Q. You ever ask her to get rid of the tapes, Mr. Simpson? A. No. Q. Certain of that? A. Yes. Q. You see on the monitor what's been marked and actually admitted into A. Yes. Q. That's a letter that you wrote, or a note that you wrote on June 17; is that A. Yes. (The instrument herein referred to as Handwritten note dated June 15, 1994 by Q. (BY MR. BREWER) You see in the upper right-hand corner, June 15, 1994? A. Yes. Q. That's not the date that you wrote this note? A. That's correct. Q. And, in fact, the first time that you ever put pen to paper in connection A. That's correct. Q. And it was only after you were told that you were going to be arrested that A. I believe so, yes. Q. And it was only after that you had learned evidence that linked you to these A. I don't know about that. I just know that they were going to arrest me. Q. Well, Mr. Simpson, you knew by June 17 that your blood was found at A. I don't think that there was much talk about that -- MR. BAKER: Asked and answered. THE COURT: Overruled. A. I don't think there was that much talk about that. All I know is that they Q. Well, you knew they were going to arrest you in connection with a double A. Yes. Q. And you decided at that point, to draft this note, this letter, true? A. That's correct. Q. And after it was completed, you gave it to Robert Kardashian to read, A. I believe I gave it to AC. Q. Okay. And you told AC that he would know when to read it or when it should be read? A. I don't believe so. I think I just gave it to him. Q. Well, you knew, sir, that this letter was going to be read in the event of A. I would have assumed so, yes. Q. That was your intention, wasn't it? A. That's correct. Q. That's why you made references, asking the press to leave you alone, leave A. Yes. Q. Okay. And in connection with drafting this, sir, on the first page -- MR. BREWER: Steve, if you could scroll down to the bottom -- see about where it Q. (BY MR. BREWER) See that reference there, sir? A. Yes. Q. "Nicole and I had a great relationship for most of our lives together." All long-term relationships, we had a -- Like all long-term relationships, we had a few downs and ups. I took the heat Did I read that correctly, sir? A. Yes. Q. Did you write that? A. Yes. Q. You told this jury, Mr. Simpson, on at least 15 occasions, that you take A. I take total and full responsibility for my actions that night, yes. Q. And you also took full responsibility for your actions and the consequences A. That's absolutely correct. For my actions. That's absolutely correct. Q. And when you say in this note that you "took the heat because it was what I A. I think that's in part. I think the total intent was, Nicole was not going to testify. Nicole, as you may have seen on national TV from her mother, stated she was I didn't think that Nicole and I should be in a courtroom trying to explain to Q. Um-hum. These are your very last thoughts and impressions before you anticipated taking A. Yes. Q. And one of the last things that you wanted people to know was that you were A. I think whatever I was feeling at the time had a lot to do with what was Q. You referred to yourself in this letter as a battered husband and battered A. I think at times I felt that way, yes. Q. And, Mr. Simpson, in this scenario, who's the batterer? Who battered you, sir? A. Excuse me? Q. Who battered you? MR. BAKER: Your Honor, I'm going to object. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Well, sir, when you said that you were a battered husband, A. Yes. Q. Who battered you? A. I felt -- I meant to convey that at times I felt battered. And from what Nicole and I went through in therapy, I think we both came to the Q. Was it your belief, Mr. Simpson, that in 1994, when you smashed the MR. BAKER: Object. A. No. MR. BAKER: Argumentative. Asked and answered. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. Sir, can you identify any specific incidents that you believe resulted in A. Times when she hit me? Q. Yeah. A. Yes. There was -- a -- numerous times after that, and I kept a log of it. Q. In 1989, did you consider yourself to be a battered husband as a result of A. I felt -- I think Nicole admitted -- her mother said on national TV -- she I felt that I should have still reacted differently than I reacted. I think my Q. And one of the incidents that you're referring to in this note where you A. When I talk about myself, at times I felt like a battered husband, yes. Q. And you're referring to the 1989 incident, just so we're perfectly clear? A. No, I wasn't. I was referring to a couple of incidents after 1989. Q. You're not referring to the 1989 incident when you talk about yourself, in A. In general, that may have been also there, but I don't think I specifically The way I was feeling at the time was, I think, a little put upon by what was Q. Well, sir, how about right now? Tell this jury in 1989, as a result of that incident, were you battered? A. In 1989? MR. BAKER: I object. Objection. Asked and answered. Argumentative. MR. BREWER: Has that been asked and answered? THE COURT: Sustained. MR. BREWER: On what ground? THE COURT: I think that's an irrelevant question. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Okay. Mr. Simpson, in connection with the 1993 incident where Nicole contacted 911 to A. No. Q. You, yourself indicated -- MR. BREWER: And Steve, if you can go to page 4 of the note. (Mr. Foster complies.) Q. (BY MR. BREWER) You state, Mr. Simpson, about midway down through the first "All of her friends will confirm that I've been totally loving and You see that reference? A. Yes. Q. Mr. Simpson, in June of 1994, you believe Nicole Brown Simpson was afraid of A. No. Q. And do you believe that her friends, her close friends, shared that view? A. I'm sorry? Shared what view? Q. That she was not afraid of you, not afraid for her own physical safety as of MR. BAKER: Objection. Relevance. A. I don't know. THE COURT: Objection sustained. The state of mind of others is irrelevant. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) If Cora Fischman testified at her deposition that Nicole MR. BAKER: I'm going to object to this. This is an improper way to get -- THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. BREWER) Mr. Simpson, you also refer to yourself in this note as "a "Ask people to remember the real O.J. not this lost person." Do you recall writing that, sir? A. Yes. Q. And that was a reflection of your state of mind at the time; is that true? A. That's correct. Q. Okay. Now, Mr. Simpson, who is the real O.J. that you were talking about? A. I like to think I was a guy that everyone who had a problem, my friends, I like to think I treated everybody the way I -- my basic philosophy in life The general public, I always had time for people. I was involved in charities. Q. And, Mr. Simpson, this lost person that you referred to, that's a double A. No. Q. That's the person who, on June 12, took the lives of two young people? A. That's incorrect. Q. Mr. Simpson, this letter makes no mention of outrage or spite about the A. I don't believe so. Q. You don't say one word about it, do you? A. I don't know who is responsible for it. Q. In fact, you didn't believe it was you, did you? A. I knew it wasn't me. Q. And knowing that it's not you, as you've testified yesterday, you have no MR. BAKER: Objection. Asked and answered. THE COURT: Sustained. MR. BREWER: I have nothing further. Thank you. FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. KELLY: Q. Mr. Simpson, on January 1, 1989, after you had removed Nicole from your A. Yes. Q. And after she had been downstairs, she went out the back door prior to you A. The back door was open; yes. Q. She went up before you? A. Yes. Q. And she also went into Michelle's bedroom before you, did she not? She went out before you got up? A. That's correct. Q. After she had been in Michelle's bedroom, she left there before you, also, A. That's correct. Q. And after she left Michelle's bedroom the second time, she remained hiding A. I'm not aware that -- she left Michelle's bedroom on two occasions, and the Q. Well, she was outside when the police arrived, was she not? A. That's what I'm told. Q. Now, isn't it a fact, Mr. Simpson, that when you walked into Michelle's room A. No, that's not. MR. KELLY: Steve, can you play Exhibit 1, please. MR. BAKER: Your Honor, I object to playing the tape. MR. KELLY: I'm not playing the whole thing, just ten seconds. MR. BAKER: I don't care. THE COURT: Overruled. (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 1, 911 tape, is played.) Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Can you stop. Do you hear those screams, Mr. Simpson? A. Yes. Q. Is that Nicole? A. I would assume so. Q. Okay. And if an experienced 911 operator testified that she could hear someone being MR. BAKER: I object. This is improper. Q. -- would she be mistaken, Mr. Simpson? THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, when the police arrived, you didn't think they had a A. I don't know if I had at the time, but when the police arrived they got Q. What I'm asking you, you basically saw that as a family matter at that time, A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you saw it a as a family matter because you basically just restrained A. I don't think that was my testimony. Q. Well, I'm asking you now, is that -- A. No. Q. Is that how you view a family matter? A. I said I was very, very physical in getting her out of the bedroom. And I Q. Once again, my question to you is: When the police arrived, you saw it as a A. Yes. Q. Okay. Now, it's also your testimony that you left in your Rolls with the police there A. That was part of it, yes. I made comments of that. Q. And at the time you left, the police weren't even on your property, were A. You know, I couldn't see them. They were on Ashford, so I didn't see where Q. But you never saw them on your property, did you? A. I believe that Officer Edward, at one point, walked onto my property. But Q. They were outside the gate, also? A. That's correct. Q. And that's a big, six-foot iron gate? A. I don't believe so. Oh, you mean the wrought iron gate at the gate? Then I had a wall. You couldn't see them through the gate, where they were Q. In any event, you could have walked outside your house at this time, could A. Yes. Q. But instead, you got in your Rolls and left. And in your mind, I believe you A. Yes. MR. BAKER: Asked and answered, Your Honor. THE COURT: Overruled. Q. (BY MR. KELLY) And the police never told you, as you testified, that they A. Absolutely not. Q. Okay. And after you left there, you drove over to your friend, Alan Schwartz's house, A. Yes. Q. How far is that from your house, Mr. Simpson? A. A mile. Q. Did you park on the street when you got there? A. Yes. Q. You didn't park in the driveway? A. Maybe the driveway. I don't know. There was a parking area that's right next to his garage, so I may have pulled Q. In fact, you did park there in that area, didn't you, Mr. Simpson? A. I may have. I'm not certain. It's normally where I would park when I go to Q. You didn't have a flat tire when you got there, did you? A. No. Q. You didn't run out of gas? A. No. Q. Okay. Now, by the way, what year was this Rolls Royce? A. I don't know. Q. Was it a vintage car, an older car? A. No. Q. Okay. And do you recall what the license plates were? A. No. Q. Okay. Did you have your "juice" plates on it at that time? A. No. Q. Now, there came a time when a little later, after you had gone to Alan A. Yes. Q. And you drove Alan Schwartz's car back there, did you not? A. Yes. Q. When you drove Alan Schwartz's car back there, other than your Rolls Royce, A. No. Q. And you didn't park in front of the Rockingham gates, did you? A. No. Q. And you didn't park in front of the Ashford gate, did you? A. No. Q. In fact, you parked up the street on Ashford, on the opposite side facing A. No. Q. Where did you park? A. On Bristol. Q. Parked on Bristol, actually, around the corner from Ashford? A. Yes, at the house, on the other side -- Q. Okay. A. -- of my house. Q. And after you parked your car on Bristol, you then climbed over a fence on A. No. Q. Never climbed over a fence? A. No. Q. Okay. And after you had gone through the Von Watts backyard -- that's what you did, A. Tennis courts. Q. And you went through your backyard, you went into your house again, did you A. Yes. Q. And you started up with Nicole a second time that night, didn't you, Mr. A. No. Q. You were having a fight with her again, weren't you, Mr. Simpson? A. No. Q. And in fact, Michelle, your housekeeper, called your dear friend, Al A. I have no idea. Q. Well, you don't know? You have no idea if Michelle called him, correct? A. Correct. Q. Well, shortly after you arrived back in that house, Mr. Cowlings showed up, A. I believe so. I think he was there. I'm pretty sure he was there. Q. Okay. He was there when you got there? A. He was there, at one time, when I came back. I think I came back a few hours Q. So if Al Cowlings said he received a phone call to come over because you and MR. BAKER: I would object to this. This is hearsay. THE COURT: Sustained. MR. BAKER: Improper -- Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Now, there came a time that you left -- By the way, when you left Rockingham, was Mr. Cowlings there, still, at that A. I think at the time I left -- I just don't remember him being there at that Q. Well, the time you had gone over there in Alan Schwartz's car and left A. I carried some clothes for the next day. I carried some jewelry that Nicole Q. You carried a bag out of there, didn't you? A. Pardon me? Q. You carried that out of there in a bag, did you not? A. I really think I just wrapped the clothes up and my jewelry. I have a little thing that you fold over that I keep my jewelry in, some of Q. Okay. So the black fold-up case? A. Yeah. It was only about this big (indicating), not really a case. Q. And there was Nicole's jewelry you put in there? A. No, mostly my jewelry. I put a couple pieces of hers. Q. And when you left carrying that -- that case, you exited the back and went A. Yeah. I went through the back gate and went out one of their gates. Q. And it's your testimony that you didn't climb over the Von Watts fence again A. I didn't have to. They had two gates. Like my gates, they were always open. Q. I'm asking you -- A. No, I did not. Q. -- climb over a fence? A. No. Q. You never told Al Cowlings that you climbed over a fence at Von Watts to get A. That's correct. Q. Okay. And when you got to Alan Schwartz's car, you were missing car keys, weren't A. Yes. Q. And in fact, when you were going through the backyard somewhere, you had A. Well, I didn't know if I had dropped them or if I had left them in my house. Q. Oh, by the time you got back through Von Watts' property to Alan Schwartz's A. That's correct. Q. Okay. And you also had this bag in your possession, still, to transport to Schwartz's A. Yes. Q. And what, if anything, did you do with the bag at this time? A. Well, while I was -- when I couldn't -- I didn't have a key, so I couldn't I went back into my house. I didn't see it. I came back, traced myself back Q. You left it in a garbage can? A. Yeah, the top of -- under a lid. Q. Okay. And when you got back to Schwartz's, you made a call to Al Cowlings, did you A. I don't think so. I think Alan showed up at Schwartz's. Q. In any event, when Cowlings showed up at Schwartz's, you told, or you asked A. Yeah. Q. First of all, to look for your car keys, correct? A. Yes. Q. Isn't it a fact, first of all, Mr. Simpson, that he found those car keys at A. I have no idea where he found them. He never told me where he found them. But all our properties are surrounded by a fence, so -- and I know when I walk Q. And you also asked him to get the black bag out of the garbage can, did you A. Actually, he was leaving, and I was getting up at that time, and I realized Q. He got the black bag out of the garbage can? A. Yeah, off the top lid. Q. By the way, this house where you had put this black bag, it was in a garbage A. No, that's not correct. Q. It wasn't on the street? A. Yes. The way they kept their garbage is like I normally keep mine; it's -- I Q. Up off the driveway? A. Up the drive, 10 feet off the street, and it's sort of surrounded by hedges. Q. So we're clear, when you drove Schwartz's car back, you parked on Bristol A. That's correct. Q. Okay. And you went through someone else's property to get to your property, A. Yes. I walked through the Schwartz's, which I do often when we're walking Q. You lost an item you were carrying at some point when you went through the A. As I said, I lost the keys. Q. You lost something going through the backyard, Mr. Simpson? A. I lost the keys. I don't know where I lost it. As I said, I don't know if Q. Okay. And you basically hid a black bag in a garbage can also? A. Yeah. I put the clothes there. I didn't think if I was looking for the keys Q. When you parked the Schwartz car and went through VanWotts into your house, A. No dogs were barking at me but I don't think anybody saw me. It was 5 Q. Mr. Simpson, isn't this exactly what happened on June 12, 1994 that you went MR. BAKER: I object. That's argumentative, without foundation. THE COURT: Overruled. A. That's incorrect. Plus I didn't go over a fence. Q. And if Al Cowlings, your closest friend, says that you told him you went MR. BAKER: I object. That calls for hearsay. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. KELLY) And once again, it's your testimony that you, as you sit here MR. BAKER: Asked and answered. THE COURT: Sustained. MR. KELLY: Q. (BY MR. KELLY) You felt free to leave? MR. BAKER: Asked -- A. I left. Q. (BY MR. KELLY) Okay. And you're certain of that? A. I'm certain I left, yes. Q. And you're certain you were told you were going to be arrested? A. They did not tell me I was going to get arrested. Q. You're sure you never hit Nicole that New Year's Day? A. I -- I'm certain I didn't hit her. I was very physical. Q. You're certain you didn't murder Nicole on June 12? A. Absolutely not. Q. By the way, if Nicole told AC that you had hit her, would she not be MR. BAKER: This is hearsay. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. KELLY) If Nicole told AC that you pulled her hair, would she be MR. BAKER: Your Honor, this is -- THE COURT: Sustained. Q. (BY MR. KELLY) By the way, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Cowlings has been one of your A. My very best friend. Q. Okay. Played high school, college, pro football with him? A. That's correct. Q. And there were times, even when you were on the road, that he would live at A. When Nicole wasn't there, yes. Q. And would it be fair to say that he and Nicole loved each other like a A. Very much so. Q. Okay. And, in fact, AC is the one who -- Al Cowlings drove you up the 405 before you A. That's correct. Q. And he was actually a pall bearer at Nicole's funeral? A. Yes. Q. Now, just one other thing Mr. Simpson: You had testified as to a large number of phone calls you made to Judy Brown A. Virtually daily. Q. Okay. Sometimes you called her as much as five times a day? A. I don't think so, 'cause she would call me sometimes, also. Q. You talked to her a lot? A. I talked to her for hours and hours Q. After your divorce became final in '92, that sort of stopped; you didn't A. I think that stopped long before it became final. We may have talked from time to time before that, but certainly after May, it Q. And is it a fact, Mr. Simpson that right after May 22, when Nicole had given A. First of all, that didn't happen. What you're claiming didn't happen. Q. So that's not true? A. Not true. Q. After you received the earrings and diamond bracelet back from Nicole, did A. I may have talked to her that week, yes. Q. Isn't it true you may have said something to the effect, Judy, the first Do you remember saying something to that effect to her? A. Absolutely not. Q. And Judy, in turn, just told you to let her go, let Nicole go, and get on MR. BAKER: That's hearsay. THE COURT: Overruled. A. That's absolutely not true. Judy was continually telling me about her Q. And you did make it hurt for Nicole at the end, didn't you, Mr. Simpson? A. I believe Nicole wanted us back together at that time, so I imagine by her Q. Well, you did more than that; you murdered her on June 12, didn't you, Mr. A. That's absolutely false. Q. And you murdered Ron Goldman? A. That's absolutely wrong. MR. KELLY: I have no further questions, Your Honor. MR. BAKER: Can we take a short break? THE COURT: Ten-minute recess. (Recess.) (The jurors resumed their respective seats.) MR. BAKER: Your Honor, I apologize. I've changed my mind. I will put Mr. THE COURT: Okay. MR. PETROCELLI: Your Honor, I'm sorry. THE COURT: You may step down. THE WITNESS: Okay. MR. PETROCELLI: As discussed in chambers yesterday, we'll be prepared to call THE COURT: Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll adjourn until Tuesday at 8:30. Remember the admonition I gave you at the start of this morning's session. Excuse me. Don't watch any news or read anything about this case. Have a very happy Thanksgiving. Thank you very much. JURORS: Thank you, Your Honor. You too, Judge. (At 10:02 A.M. an adjournment was taken until Tuesday, December 3, 1996, at |